We are such stuff as dreams are made on,
and our little life is rounded with a sleep.
-William Shakespeare, The Tempest
The Fifth Interview of Dr. Jamisson Neruda exposes a fundamental deception that affects humanity across every dimension of life. This deception is that our three-dimensional reality and human consciousness have been programmed to be perceived as real, when they are not.
This is clearly a very bold assertion, and is not made lightly.
In this fifth interview, Dr. Neruda explains the forces behind this deception, what their agenda is, how humanity has been enslaved from its inception to today, and what we can do about it. It is, understandably, an unsettling narrative. After all, it exposes a reality where humans are biological hosts of infinite beings, suppressed by deceptive programs designed by entities from a different dimension. Humanity is unaware that we live in a designed reality, and that that designed reality includes… everything.
Over the past fifteen years, there have been individuals who have written and spoken about certain aspects of this deception. From the scientific community, individuals like Herman Verlinde, Dr. Robert Lanza, Leonard Susskind, Gerard t'Hooft and James Gates. From the technical field, NASA engineer Thomas Campbell. From a more philosophical perspective, authors like Nick Bostrom and Anthony Peake. Scientific papers, too, have been released in this emerging field of reality definition like: Constraints on the Universe as a Numerical Simulation by Beane, Davoudi and Savage. These individuals, and others like them, are hypothesizing that our universe was designed through mathematics or computer code.
This topic is relatively off-limits, reserved for theoretical and heretical thinkers. It shocks people significantly more than the discussions of UFOs or government conspiracies, because it is so fundamental. It is our reality, and the only logical conclusion we can draw is that we are prisoners in a deceptive reality. It makes reality feel like a lab, and we are the unsuspecting lab rats.
From the spiritual side, many of our mystics and religious founders have reported that both our perception of the universe, and the universe itself, is an illusion. This theme is consistent in religious and spiritual writings throughout the ages. And while the mystics lacked the scientific vocabulary to define the scope of this illusion, they nevertheless understood that we, as individuals, walk our lives through an illusory world that scientists are increasingly describing as a programmed reality. The question that rises to the top is: ‘Who or what is programming our reality and why?’
It is to this question that The Fifth Interview of Dr. Jamisson Neruda seeks to answer and explain in layperson terms. It is understandable that those with a scientific or religious training will find this disclosure difficult, if not impossible, to believe. Dr. Neruda is not trying to convince anyone, he merely presents a narrative for how this happened, why it happened, where it is trying to lead humanity, and most importantly, how we can break out of the programming—all of us.
This interview is not concentrated on the scientific realm. The science behind the Hologram of Deception is not based on the mathematics or physics of our spacetime. Its complexity and sophistication is well beyond our current understanding, so the attempt to define it in scientific terms would be an impossible undertaking. Even if it were possible, it would only muddle the real import of this information in arcane vocabulary and mathematics.
The true focus of the fifth interview isn’t the scientific definition of the Hologram of Deception, but rather how we can free ourselves from its pervasive and illusory presence. The Sovereign Integral process is defined in this interview in detail, but you may have to read carefully to hear and understand it. This process is truly the centerpiece of the fifth interview. Whatever philosophical perspective you wish to attach to this information, bear in mind that it is shared in the spirit of oneness and equality, and that the Sovereign Integral process is a decidedly experiential practice.
As thought-provoking as the backstory and the chessboard of reality—as depicted herein—may appear, it is the behavioral adjustments that are the real purpose of this disclosure. The WingMakers materials are not focused on knowledge or spiritual experiences; they are dedicated to the new behaviors that support the ongoing unfoldment of the Sovereign Integral process on earth within the human species.
It is this process that you are really reading about and experiencing in this interview. Whether you believe in the existence of the Hologram of Deception or not, the Sovereign Integral process remains available as a tool to use in your daily life.
2 | Introduction
6 | Copyright Information
7 | The Fifth Interview of Dr. Jamisson Neruda
72 | Appendix
72 | Introduction to Quantum Pause
74 | Quantum Pause Breath Pattern
75 | Quantum Pause Conceptual Attention
76 | General Timeline
77 | Sovereign Integral Process: Insertive Behaviors
78 | Accessing the Grand Design
79 | The Hologram of Deception
80 | About the Author
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The Fifth Interview of Dr. Jamisson Neruda
hat follows is a session I recorded of Dr. Neruda on January 2, 1998. He gave permission for me to record his answers to my questions. This is the transcript of that session. This was one of five times I was able to tape record our conversations. I have preserved these transcripts precisely as they occurred. I’ve tried my best to include the exact words, phrasing, and grammar used by Dr. Neruda.
Editor’s Note: This interview (number five) has been unpublished until March 2014. The reason is based on Dr. Neruda’s timing; the specific reasons for this timing have not been communicated.
Sarah: “What we discussed Wednesday night has been swirling around me ever since. I think I’ve become a bit obsessed with all of this… what for me, anyway, is new information. I’m trying my best to process it into my mental framework, and I have to admit, I’m not sure it’s working.”
Dr. Neruda: “I understand. I’ve held back some information for this very reason—not only for you, but also for those who will ultimately read this.”
Sarah: “When we ended the last session we agreed to spend more time on The Grand Portal.*1 Is that what you’re referring to, or is it something else?”
Dr. Neruda: “It’s all related. It’s a very, very big picture, and broad timeline.”
Sarah: “Can you share it now?”
Dr. Neruda: “Let’s take it one part at a time. With your questions, I hope it will all come clear, but I have to warn you that it will seem a little unwieldy or odd until the whole of it is out.”
Sarah: “Okay. Where do you want to start?”
Dr. Neruda: “I think we need to go back to the beginning to understand the true context of The Grand Portal.”
Dr. Neruda: “Earth was and is a very unique planet. It was entirely of water originally. But what made it interesting to beings was the fact that its core enabled it to have a gravitational force that supported manifestation.”
Sarah: “What do you mean by manifestation?”
Dr. Neruda: “That it began to traverse from an interdimensional planet of sound frequencies to a planet of matter—of physical matter. Its gravity-producing core or nucleus was able to literally create the conditions that allowed it to materialize itself over eons of time.”
Sarah: “How do you know this history?”
Dr. Neruda: “There are records of this on the disc that was taken from the twenty-third chamber at the Ancient Arrow site.*2 But some of this we knew from other documents we’ve retrieved from the Sumerian record that have not been widely distributed. We’ve also had discussions with the Corteum that bear this out.”
Sarah: “So earth started out as a water planet and it wasn’t physical?”
Dr. Neruda: “Correct. This was when the Atlanteans lived within the planet. They were the race of beings that inhabited earth at the time of its formation. The Anunnaki came to them and negotiated an agreement to allow the Anunnaki to mine a substance near the core of the planet that would be—in its essence—what today we would call gold.
“These races of beings known as the Atlanteans and Anunnaki were not three-dimensional. They didn’t possess bodies as we think of them today. Their existence was contained in a different range of frequencies—what we would call higher-dimensional frequencies.”
Sarah: “Why did they want gold?”
Dr. Neruda: “The Anunnaki required it. The exact reason is unknown, but it had something to do with the way that gold modulated the frequency of their body. Gold was an essence to their race. It held a property that was vital to their survival. The record is a little vague as to exactly why it was so important. But these records mention that their entire planet had twelve major cities and all of them were made of a semi-transparent gold. Even the book of Revelations refers to this.”
Sarah: “Who were these beings? I mean, I’ve heard of the Atlanteans, but never the Anunnaki.”
Dr. Neruda: “They’re a race of transdimensional beings. The Atlanteans were the only race of beings on earth at that time, and they—the Anunnaki—sought permission to set-up mining on earth, which the Atlanteans agreed to.”
Dr. Neruda: “They didn’t see any harm in helping the Anunnaki. They weren’t a competitor, because the Atlanteans were more numerous. The Atlanteans wanted to have an agreement with the Anunnaki if only to befriend them for their technology. Also, the gold mining was in an area of earth that was of little consequence to them.”
Sarah: “I don’t see how this relates to The Grand Portal.”
Dr. Neruda: “It’s a long story, and we just started, but I promise I’ll come to that in a bit.”
Sarah: “Okay, that’s fine, I’ll be patient.”
Dr. Neruda: “The earth began to materialize more and more. It began to harden in a sense. The gold with it. The earth, and everything on it, was solidifying. The mining of the gold would soon become impossible for the Anunnaki, because they’d be unable to mine the gold if it were in a dense, physical state.”
Sarah: “Why not?”
Dr. Neruda: “Their bodies were etheric. They could not mine the gold if it was physical. They needed to have bodies that would be able to operate on earth and mine the gold.”
Sarah: “How quickly did this happen?”
Dr. Neruda: “I don’t know. Our records don’t stipulate the time scale, but I assume it was over tens of thousands of years. The point is that they needed to create a physical vessel like an astronaut would require a spacesuit to inhabit space. They tried hundreds of experiments and had the help of both the Atlanteans and Sirians.”
Sarah: “I assume this vessel is the human body?”
Dr. Neruda: “Yes, we call them physical uniforms sometimes. The WingMakers refer to them as human instruments.”
Sarah: “So the Anunnaki created a physical body to mine gold. You mean like a robot or are you saying these were humans?”
Dr. Neruda: “No. These were the equivalent of ape-men; they were pre-human by a long shot. But they were our predecessors. We sometimes refer to them as Human 1.0.”
Sarah: “But were they robots or biological?”
Dr. Neruda: “They were completely biological, but Human 1.0s were not fully physical. They were partly etheric. You see, the Anunnaki and Sirians designed them to synchronize with the evolving densification of the earth. So as the earth solidified, so did the human instruments.”
Sarah: “If they were biological, did they have a soul?”
Dr. Neruda: “We wouldn’t call them human if they didn’t. Remember I mentioned the Atlanteans?”
Dr. Neruda: “The Anunnaki and Sirians placed them—the Atlanteans—inside these human uniforms. These were very advanced beings, but apparently naïve.”
Sarah: “They wanted to be in these… ape-men bodies and mine gold?”
Dr. Neruda: “No, that was not their interest at all. In fact, they allowed the Anunnaki to mine their gold, but as the earth began to solidify, they told them that if they could engineer a vessel to enable them to continue to mine their gold, that would be acceptable, but on a small scale.
“The Anunnaki had some kind of a falling out with the Atlanteans, and began to conspire with the Sirians and another race referred to as the Serpents. Each of these three races was interested in figuring out how to embody physical planets. They saw earth as a laboratory of sorts to figure it out. The Anunnaki already had a human uniform; they simply needed to power it with a life source or soul.
“The bigger issue was how to get the Atlanteans into these embodiments and keep them there. In effect, these three races conspired to enslave the Atlanteans within these pre-human vessels. The Atlanteans were the power generators that made these biological entities operate.”
Sarah: “Are you saying these primitive ape-men had powerful souls inside them? I don’t understand how that’d be possible.”
Dr. Neruda: “It’s a very complicated subject. The WingMakers wrote about the implantation of programs inside the human uniform—even version 1.0. The Sirians were mostly credited with this invention, but it was the offspring of Anu*3 that really perfected these implants by programming them.
“The human uniform version 1.0 was designed by the Anunnaki, the implants were designed by the Sirians, and the programming of the implants was designed and evolved by a being known as Marduk.”
Sarah: “That doesn’t answer my question as to how a powerful soul would suddenly be plugged into an ape-man vessel and behave like… like a Neanderthal.”
Dr. Neruda: “Well, first, these were much more primitive than Neanderthals. But the answer is in the implants. You see, the biological entity or ape-man, as we’re referring to it, was not able to operate in the physical world. They needed survival skills, how to eat, how to hunt, how to clean themselves, how to even move their bodies. All of these very fundamental functions were necessary to actually include or program into the vessel… which was the purpose of the functional implants.
“The implants were akin to the brain of the Human 1.0, but it wasn’t just in the brain. These implants were placed inside the body within various parts—like the chest area, middle back, wrists, ankles, etc. The primary ones were contained in the skull. But generally these implants were networked to operate from the head or brain area.”
Sarah: “Why do you say the head or brain area and not simply the brain?”
Dr. Neruda: “Because it wasn’t in the brain. Remember that Human 1.0 was still part etheric and part physical. The implants also needed a similar consistency or sound vibration. They were placed into the bone or skeletal structure mostly, and some in the muscle tissue. These functional implants fused into the muscles and bone, including the DNA. The WingMakers put it this way: the DNA integration was for the intelligence of the plan; the muscle tissue allowed the life essence to power the functional implant.
“There was a central coordination point, and that was in the brain, but the implants were located throughout the body. This was an integrated system that was installed in the human uniform to allow it to be controlled, monitored, and programmed over time. It was the evolutionary stick and carrot.
“Doing it this way allowed the early humans to dig out gold, which, as I said, was their primary purpose initially.”
Sarah: “I’m sorry to sound like a broken record, but I still don’t get how such an advanced race as the Atlanteans could… power these ape-men and become slaves. It doesn’t make sense to me.”
Dr. Neruda: “You have to understand that the implanted functionality was partly to make the Human 1.0 and its power source—the life essence of an Atlantean—to function efficiently and effectively as miners. That was the prime goal. The second, however, was to suppress the power source, or in this case, the Atlantean beings inside the human vessels.
“They did this by making the power source ignorant of its origin and the reality of its true expression as an infinite being. When the Atlantean beings were placed inside the human uniform, they were essentially 100 percent focused on physical survival and functional performance. There were no relationships. No marriage. No reproduction. These were essentially cloned beings. They were all the same in terms of their appearance and abilities. Human drones, piloted by implanted functionality that the Atlantean beings inside became associated with, as them. The infinite inside the body believed it was the body and the implanted functionality, and nothing more.”
Sarah: “What happened when they died?”
Dr. Neruda: “Let me be clear, these beings—the Atlanteans—were infinite, meaning they did not have spacetime regulation. They lived after the body died. However, the Anunnaki created a set of planes or dimensions of experience that was the equivalent of a Holding Plane, that’s what the WingMakers called it, where they could be recycled.”
Sarah: “Recycled… as in reincarnation?”
Dr. Neruda: “Yes, later on this became the basis of reincarnation. It allowed the Anunnaki to recycle the Atlanteans. Some aspects of the implanted functionality were interdimensional, which is to say, it could assist in the delivery of the beings to the proper location within the Holding Planes of consciousness, and assist in their reincarnation back into a new vessel.”
Sarah: “But you said that they… the ape-men didn’t have reproduction?”
Dr. Neruda: “Not in version 1.0. These were very basic. But the Anunnaki could create them in large scale, so when one human uniform expired—let’s say they had a mining accident—another would be made. These were clones. The ability to self-reproduce came in version 2.0. That was mostly because the amount of effort required to manage this process was enormous, on the part of the Anunnaki. They wanted to create an automated system, something that wouldn’t require them to orchestrate all of the variables. So the Sirians helped them to create the implants that could propagate through reproduction. This enabled automation of the recycling of the beings from the Holding Planes to be born into the physical dimension through a baby.”
Sarah: “So, this was all automated… by programming… technology? I don’t know, this is too weird.”
Dr. Neruda: “The universe is made up of dimensions that are a result of mathematical equations. It is constructed from mathematics. Some beings understand how to apply mathematical equations to organize and plan spacetime. It’s all created. This world is created, it’s not real. It’s a programmed reality.
“When I say plan, it can also be construed as control of spacetime. That is to say, this is a programmed spacetime reality. Once you can program spacetime reality within a species like humanity, you can program at the individual level of a person, right down to when they itch their nose, if you want to. It’s all mathematical equations.”
Sarah: “I don’t know… what to say. For now, I’ll go along with you, but it really sounds like fiction to me. So, what happened to the ape-men?”
Dr. Neruda: “I mentioned Marduk. He was intimately involved in the evolution of the species. That was his role. Of all the Anunnaki, he was the closest to the Human 1.0s. He understood them and even admired certain aspects of them. Unconsciously, perhaps, he began to alter their programs so the Human 1.0s behaved more like the Anunnaki.
“As they began to take on the characteristics of the Anunnaki, Anu and his sons, Enki and Enlil, were concerned by this. Marduk was programming emotions and feelings. He was evolving humans too quickly, but remember, this was the evolution of the functional implants, the interface between the power source—Atlanteans—and the human physical body. So it was the interface that was being evolved, which enabled the human body to show emotion, to communicate, to sense more of the three-dimensional world called earth, etc.
“The other thing that was happening was that as the earth continued to become more of a three-dimensional solid, so did the Human 1.0s and their functionality implants. This growing densification also made it easier to control and suppress the Atlantean power source inside the human uniforms. It was like a compression was taking place in and on this earth plane, and it was deepening the gravity of focus on earth plane survival.”
Sarah: “I wrote down the word ‘Serpents.’ Are you talking about literal serpents?”
Dr. Neruda: “No… Serpents as a race of beings. They simply were another race of beings based on reptilian DNA, but distinct from the Anunnaki. You could say they were related. They were known as life carriers. They seeded planets. They built food chains. You could say they were the grocers of the planet.”
Sarah: “But they didn’t get involved in the creation of the Human 1.0?”
Dr. Neruda: “Not in the technical sense. Their job was more to provide food and sustenance for it.”
Sarah: “I understand how the Atlanteans were suppressed in the Human 1.0 because of the implants, but why did they go there? If they didn’t volunteer as you suggest, how did they get forced into slavery when they were previously these powerful, sovereign beings?”
Dr. Neruda: “We don’t know exactly how it happened. The record we read was not specific on this topic. But the tone, or word that was used, was that the Atlanteans were naïve. They had no reason to think it would be possible to become enslaved. It would be like a concept that was never used in their culture. No one ever did that… nor could they. You can’t enslave an infinite being, unless, of course, you lock them into a human uniform. And that was the cunning of the Anunnaki and their Sirian partners. They launched this attack from such a bizarre angle, that the Atlanteans couldn’t see it coming. I think it was an ambush or surprise attack.”
Sarah: “You said earlier that the Human 2.0 could reproduce. How long of a time existed between 1.0 and 2.0, and what were their primary differences?”
Dr. Neruda: “Human 1.0 rose to a pretty high level in terms of being able to speak or communicate. That was the major add-on that Marduk brought to Human 1.0. However, the psychological state of being a clone was too hard for Human 1.0. They all looked alike and had the same thoughts, so communication was helpful to a point, for example, coordinating a task, but actually having individual ideas… no. And this led to depression and psychological states where, according to the WingMakers, they literally went mad.
“This flaw was a huge problem. Anu decided to wipe them out, and this is the story of the great flood. Marduk managed to save some of the Human 1.0s from the flood along with other flora and fauna, but it was the end of Human 1.0.
“Human 2.0 was then created. This was the stage where the humans could self-reproduce. And when this happened, some of the Anunnaki impregnated female humans and brought in their bloodlines to the human species. This began the variations. This began the idea that humans were no longer clones. The concern, however, was that Human 2.0s might become too powerful and self-aware. What if the Atlantean power source became aware that it was an infinite being?
“This was when Anu decided that he should be God. Humans needed to have a lord or ruler over them so it was clear that they were inferior to an external ruler. This was a key part of their program of indoctrination. Working with Marduk and the Sirians, they created the environment of Eden and created the paradigm of Eve as the instigator of the fall of humanity. This was, you might say, Act 1 of Anu as God. It was staged to provide the Human 2.0s with a clear sense of an external authority, and that they were expelled from Paradise because they tried to be self-realized.
“It was like rebuking humanity with the fist of an angry creator who wanted his creation to remain identified with their human uniform. Kind of like saying: “Do not think for a moment that you can be like me.”
Sarah: “And the WingMakers wrote that this actually happened kind of like the Bible said?”
Dr. Neruda: “Yes.”
Sarah: “So the God of the Bible is this Anunnaki Lord, called Anu?”
Dr. Neruda: “Yes.”
Sarah: “Why are you telling me this all now? It seems like this information changes some of the previous information you’ve shared.”
Dr. Neruda: “To really understand The Grand Portal, you have to understand this evolutionary process, and the only way you can understand it is to go back to the beginning of the human race.”
Sarah: “So why did Anu want to be God?”
Dr. Neruda: “Remember that the original goal was the acquisition of gold. But when the Atlanteans rejected Anu, he began to conspire with the Sirians. It was just before the flood that Anu discovered that the gold he’d mined was sufficient. He didn’t require more. However, the notion of being a God over the Atlanteans was seductive. The Sirians and Serpents felt that the idea of enslaving infinite beings in planet ecosystems was their invention. They had something that was totally unique. They were creator-Gods, and every other race could be ensnared in a similar type of vessel.
“They began to do just that.”
Sarah: “You mean enslave other races?”
Dr. Neruda: “Yes. You see the earth had a unique quality to its core. This core was of extreme interest to the Anunnaki when they first visited earth. It was this core that created the gravitational field that enabled the planet to become fully physical in such a way that it could support physical life. Of course other conditions needed to be present, too, but it was this core that was the real key. Working with the Sirians and Serpents, they began to do this same enslavement on other planets. They replicated the core of earth and engineered a method for implanting this core on other planets. They were essentially terraforming a planet by cloning and installing earth’s core.”
Sarah: “So I guess the real question is, if you believe this, what are humans today? Are we simply more of the same? Are we Human 2.0?”
Dr. Neruda: “When I said the human uniform evolves, it does, but this evolution is on a track, a pre-programmed track. The intent was to have Anu return on a ‘cloud,’ the whole Second Coming was going to be the staged entrance for Anu. Humanity would evolve in such a way that his reentry into our consciousness would be understood to be a good thing. Humanity’s salvation. We would all be his children, and the glory of god would be upon the earth. That was the plan. From before the time of Jesus, that was the plan. Marduk programmed the entire—”
Sarah: “How long can these beings live?”
Dr. Neruda: “Again, the beings like Marduk or Enki or Anu are not based in spacetime. They are infinite beings, meaning they have no end. They don’t have an age. Neither do we.”
Sarah: “I’m trying to wrap my mind around all of this, but I’m finding it very hard to believe that human beings are simply uniforms for a programmed existence.”
Dr. Neruda: “Let me go back to your previous question about what humanity is now. The functional implants of the human interface are perfectly integrated within the human vessel. They operate seamlessly. So seamlessly, we do not know that they are not us. We have no choice in a way. We think our thoughts and emotions are us, that this spacetime is what our thoughts and emotions exist in. Even the thought of a God, heaven, hell, soul, masters, all of these things, they’re part of the program.
“It is integrated in both the dimension of the earth plane and the after-life. The after-life is part of the deception.”
Sarah: “Tell me more about this interface and its functional implants.”
Dr. Neruda: “The eye-brain was the key element that the Anunnaki needed to design to make the functional implants operate. This is in Human 1.0. In Human 2.0 it was the DNA. Once this was achieved, the Sirians could design the consciousness framework—the human consciousness. Human consciousness is the key to suppressing an infinite being. Human consciousness, or the triad of consciousness, is composed of three interactive layers.
“The first layer is universal mind or unconscious, and this forms the link between the individual human and the entire species. This layer is what enables all of us to see what everyone sees, feel what everyone else feels, know what everyone else knows. It is the perfect way to unify a species in separation. In fact, that is the way we feel unification, through the unconscious mind.
“The next layer of consciousness is the genetic mind, as the WingMakers refer to it, or subconscious, in the case of Sigmund Freud. This forms the link between the individual and their family tree or genetics. This is where bloodlines are expressed.
“And then there is the conscious mind. This is the unique individual perception and expression—what most of us call our personality and character, which is built on this layer.
“The conscious mind of the individual is heavily influenced by the genetic mind, especially between birth and the age of seven or eight. By that time the influence is all-encompassing. Remember that the Anunnaki created the biological form—the body, the Sirians created the functional implants, and Marduk executed the programming of these functional implants so they would evolve along a programmed path, leading to the return of Anu. This was expressed in the hierarchal structure of humanity that speaks of god and masters in religious and esoteric texts.
“This was all part of the design, to create various religions and esoteric cults that would support a vast Hierarchy and order the human species into master-student relationships, and then create a multi-leveled afterlife that would reward those who believed and were obedient to their god or masters.
“You see, the whole principle that was behind this entire endeavor could be summed up in one word: separation. Everything exists in separation within the earth plane and its afterlife planes as well. But, according to the WingMakers, what is real is that we are all imbued with equality and oneness—not through the unconscious mind, which only links us in separation, but rather through the life essence that is us. And this life essence is sovereign and integral. It is I AM WE ARE. No one is above, no one is below. No one is better, no one is lesser.”
Sarah: “But you’re saying everything is a lie? Everything… I mean everything we’ve been taught to believe in is a deception! How is that possible… or … or even believable?”
Dr. Neruda: “It’s possible because the beings that have enslaved humanity designed a world to which we adjusted over eons of time. We evolved into it in such a manner that we became lost in our world. The veils that have been placed over us are opaque. So much so that people operate as human uniforms unaware that everything around them is illusory. It is a programmed reality that is not real.
“The WingMakers say everything is simply sound holographically organized to look real.”
Sarah: “It’s depressing…”
Dr. Neruda: “Only when you consider the scope of the deception and the way in which humanity has allowed it to rule their behaviors. The good news is that you’re hearing about this now.”
Sarah: “It doesn’t feel like good news.”
Dr. Neruda: “Each person can step out of the illusion. There is no master here. No god is going to come down and make it happen for us. No ETs. No one. It is each of us. This is what is meant by I AM. I… it’s like One. One—me, and one—all of us unified. AM, meaning exist now. In this moment. Not in history or memory. Not in some future time or goal. Now!”
Sarah: “It doesn’t feel real to me. I was raised a Christian. I have no reason to believe that Jesus was an inside… agent for this plan of deception—”
Dr. Neruda: “I’m not saying he was. Many of those who have come to earth as human teachers have tried to reveal how deep and broad and high this illusion has been made. It is as far as the edge of the universe and as close as your DNA. Everywhere in between is illusion. Jesus came to reveal much of this, but the writers of the Bible decided what would be acceptable within the paradigm of life as we humanly know it. They elected to make Jesus a part of the deception. They saw it was time for a redefinition of God to accommodate an evolving Human 2.0. God was suddenly a loving father, and all of humanity was brother and sister.”
Sarah: “So you’re saying Jesus was aware of this deception, but his words weren’t included in the Bible?”
Dr. Neruda: “Our opinion was that his words were so against the conditioned beliefs that people could not understand them as he said them. And so, over time, they were translated into the form you know them today. The Biblical translations simply lack the original potency with which he said them.
“Besides, there are two methods that can make exposing this illusion a very difficult proposition.”
Sarah: “What do you mean?”
Dr. Neruda: “The first is that the unconscious mind system is inside everyone. It’s like a field of information that everyone can access. It can affect or infect everyone. A revelatory idea can be passed to a small number of people, but it lacks sufficient influence to generate mass awakening. So there’s unconscious mind inertia.
“The other, and this is more pernicious, is that the functional implants are programmed, and like any program, they can be upgraded or even turned off.”
Sarah: “As I listen to this… story, I… I feel a little overwhelmed at how to proceed with the interview. I’m not sure what to ask or what direction to take things. If I look at my notes, I see my handwritten note: ‘there is no God,’ is this really what you’re saying?”
Dr. Neruda: “The WingMakers refer to the triad of consciousness as having the god consciousness installed within it—in the unconscious mind layer. But they also report that as the individual develops from about the age of six or seven, they begin to assemble their individual personality from the elements of the subconscious layer. By the time they’re twelve to fourteen years old, they have their unique personality well in place. For some, this uniqueness is shutting out the existence of a god.
“From Anu’s perspective, this is fine. He probably likes having atheists and agnostics. It’s more separation. More diversity. In fact, the greater the diversity in the human family, the greater the separation. The greater the separation, the easier it is to keep the program of enslavement intact. Choose sides and disagree with your opponents. Compete. It fuels wars and social unrest.
“As for the existence of god, we, collectively, are the closest thing to god. We are. That’s the clear message of the WingMakers. There is a First Source,*4 a center point in existence that created the framework of existence through sound—”
Sarah: “But what about the ones who are enlightened or spiritual masters—they’re all made up?”
Dr. Neruda: “No, it’s not that they’re made up. They exist. It’s just that their existence is within the human interface or functional implants. They exist there. We, us, the being that is I AM, that being is not of that reality. It doesn’t really exist inside the holographic stage that was created by interdimensional beings millions of years ago; rather, it is being used as a power source that animates the human interface or uniform. Over time, we’ve spiraled deeper and deeper inside of this created world, complete with its afterlife and different planes of existence.
“You could look at it this way: Anu installed a program inside the Human 2.0 and in this program, humans would evolve from knowing absolutely nothing about their world, to knowing god. Humans were designed to have god consciousness—meaning, to have the same understanding and awareness as Anu. But then Anu took this evolutionary line and positioned god consciousness so far out into the future that humans would essentially be chasing this god consciousness forever. They’d be chasing shadows, because until they awaken from the deception, the only god that exists in that world is Anu.
“Once awakened as I AM WE ARE or the Sovereign Integral, a human being lives as an expression of this consciousness. According to the WingMakers, no one has achieved this at this time. It is, however, our future to live in this consciousness in a human instrument.”
Sarah: “No one has done this… you mean anywhere?”
Dr. Neruda: “On this plane, earth, no one has done this. But remember, the WingMakers are human in a future time. They have returned to our time to crack this shell open a bit. They have traveled to our time to remind us of what they discovered. They left this enslavement, so we will do it.”
Sarah: “But you already said that spacetime is an illusion.”
Dr. Neruda: “That’s true. It is, but it’s hard to imagine that the universe in which we exist is really a hologram projection that was programmed inside our unconscious mind and we’re really inside this hologram, wearing a human uniform that was outfitted to perceive only this hologram. The WingMakers say that the real world is sound. Everything is sound and resonance of sound. Everything we have in our human uniform for sensing our universe is millions of years of evolutionary design to tune into that hologram and only that hologram.”
Sarah: “How does that hologram extend beyond this physical world then? You said even the afterlife is part of it?”
Dr. Neruda: “There are many aspects to the afterlife. There is god, first and foremost. There is the Light of illumination. There is the universal spirit and individual soul. There is a Hierarchy of angels and masters. There is the concept of karma and reincarnation or sin and salvation. The concept of heaven and hell. The concept of the chosen. The concept of an ascension path. The concept of the Book of Records or Akashic records. All of these concepts were designed into an upgrade of the Human 2.0 interface. Certain human beings are programmed to find these concepts in their unconscious mind layer and share them. As a result, religions sprout. Philosophies rise sometimes in support of the religions, sometimes in contradiction. Esoteric cults rise. All the while the human being remains lost. It remains muddled in its illusion. Everything tied to an empty promise in a belief, and in all those beliefs, one thing remains constant: separation.
“The program is vast in its reach, and the Anunnaki, once they had mined sufficient gold, had an entire race of beings enslaved. Anu, along with his allies in the Sirian and Serpent races, decided it would be best to turn the Human 2.0s into a worthless creature that forever sought enlightenment through belief. And who do you suppose would provide the things to believe in? Anu and Marduk.
“Everything became learning lessons. The earth was a school house. If you learn your lessons, you won’t have to keep incarnating. Learn, learn, learn. But what are you learning? You are learning to believe in the afterlife, as it was described and prescribed by Anu and his designers. You are learning to don your human uniform obediently. You are learning to discern how humanity is different. You are learning to link every self-image you have to the world of three-dimensions, while hoping there is more after death.
“The sober reality is that after you die, the being inside you is met by a guardian who will take you to your destination, based mostly on your deeds in this life. However, most beings are taken to a life review where you face your life in every detail, and based on that experience an authoritative figure will prescribe your next life options for reincarnation. You are essentially recycled into the same program with a new mother and family, and a programmed life path is laid out for you to follow.
“The afterlife program and process is all part of the master program to retain the enslavement of the beings. Remember, we’re interdimensional beings—meaning we exist in 3-D and the higher planes. It’s just that these higher planes are designed by the Anunnaki. They are not of the real dimensional planes. Otherwise, we would die, discover who we really are, and we would never reincarnate or if we did, we would tell everyone on earth that this is all an illusion.”
Sarah: “Why? Why do it this way? It doesn’t make sense.”
Dr. Neruda: “What began as an experiment in three-dimensional exploration from a higher dimensional reality became what is here. Every human being will confront this reality eventually. It cannot be avoided. We can agonize about the lack of fairness or ask why, but whether it makes sense to you doesn’t change the fact that we live in a world of designed separation. Divide and conquer.
“The WingMakers write of the tone-vibration of equality. (Dr. Neruda pulled out some papers at this point.) Here’s the exact choice of words by the WingMakers: ‘When all manifestations of life are genuinely perceived as fragmentary expressions of First Source, the vibration of equality that underlies all life forms becomes perceptible to the human instrument. Life initially emerges as an extension of Source Reality, and then, as an individuated energy frequency invested within a form. It vibrates, in its pure, timeless state, precisely the same for all manifestations of life. This is the common ground that all life shares. This is the tone-vibration of equality that can be observed within all life forms that unifies all expressions of diversity to the foundation of existence known as First Source.’”
Sarah: “It’s so abstract. How does it help?”
Dr. Neruda: “Maybe it doesn’t. I don’t know. But the thing is, to change, to step out of this illusion, it requires each of us to wake up and stay awake. It’s not reading words that will change this; it’s the profound nature of new behaviors, because these behaviors signal that our consciousness layers are understood as separate from who we really are. We have to operate as I AM WE ARE.”
Sarah: “Where does the Incunabula*5 or Illuminati belong in this narrative?”
Dr. Neruda: “I’ll answer that later. I want to continue the story a little further.”
Dr. Neruda: “Human 2.0s and earth continue to densify. We become increasingly three-dimensional. We are actually denser now than we have ever been—in terms of physicality. There was a time, about forty years ago, when we thought alien races were actually leaving spaceships behind on purpose, but what we discovered, more recently, is that most of the aliens were not physical beings. They were observing earth, and their spaceships actually became entrained by the gravitational circuits of the earth’s core, which caused their spaceships to materialize in three-dimensional space. Because many of the materials used in the ships’ construction had chemical properties, they were prone to densification when exposed to earth’s atmosphere.”
Sarah: “You mentioned the earth’s core as being the cause of all of this, what’s so special about it?”
Dr. Neruda: “The magnetic fields associated with earth’s core are unique. They are, in the words of the WingMakers, ‘alive.’ We can only assume that alive is an aspect of intelligence.
“The point in this, however, is that everything’s densifying. It is compressing. It is compressing for a reason: the old systems can fall in unison when density reaches a certain critical mass. And that is what will happen.”
Dr. Neruda: “All I can say is that it is soon. I don’t want dates and times associated with it—”
Sarah: “But do you know?”
Dr. Neruda: “We know a range.”
Sarah: “More than ten years?”
Dr. Neruda: “Yes.”
Sarah: “More than twenty (years)?”
Dr. Neruda: “All I will say is that the WingMakers term for this is SIN, or the Sovereign Integral Network. SIN is the definition of the new system. They said it can come in an instant once the right conditions are in place. What is unclear is how SIN develops after The Grand Portal and Human 3.0.”
Sarah: “That’s the first time you’ve mentioned Human 3.0. What is it?”
Dr. Neruda: “If human beings are trapped in a prison of illusion, as Human 2.0s, and their interface to the holographic universe is the reason for their being trapped, then a new model needs to step forward. Human 3.0 is this new model. It is the formula of self-realization. It is stepping out of the constructed universe or reality, and living as a self-expression of I AM WE ARE. Human 3.0 is the Sovereign Integral. I call it Human 3.0 SI.
“You see, The Grand Portal is a way to synchronize humanity to a new inception point where it is living in the expression of oneness and equality, sovereign and integral, I AM and WE ARE. It is a way for humanity to move from separation—which was its previous inception point, the one that generated Human 1.0 and 2.0. Human 3.0 SI will have a new inception point, and the reason for The Grand Portal was to enable synchronization, because how can you have a network of equality and oneness if the beings were not synchronized?”
Sarah: “What is soul, then?”
Dr. Neruda: “Soul is an idea or paradigm that has become part of the human reality program. Soul is the part of you that contains all memory of your existence as a Human 1.0 and 2.0. For most of us, this is a vast repository—far too large for the consciousness framework to deal with. So the soul holds this information for each individual being.
“Soul is a paradigm of infinite expression within a finite reality. But you can’t be infinite in a finite reality if that reality is a programmed reality. So soul is not the life force that powers the human consciousness. That is the Sovereign Integral. That is what each of us is when we are stripped naked of all illusion, of all deceptions, of all limitations, of all veils, of all functional implants—including the soul.
“It is the redefinition of human identity and expression as I AM WE ARE. From a human perspective, the WingMakers do not see humans as lesser entities, but simply beings with inception points that enslaved them. It is not a judgment that humans are worthless or bad or sinful or weak or needy. None of those things. Humanity needs a new start. A point in which they can synchronize in one realization, and that is the expression of I AM WE ARE. Living those words as behavior.”
Sarah: “Where’s the creator of Anu… the real God? How can we be allowed to live and operate in this kind of deception?”
Dr. Neruda: “The WingMakers talk about the transformation/mastership model… hold on. (Dr. Neruda went to a page among his folders.) This is how they put it: ‘The time has come to integrate the dominant model of the Hierarchy (evolution/saviorship) with the dominant model of Source Intelligence (transformation/mastership). This integration can only be achieved at the level of the entity. It cannot occur within the context of a human instrument or an aspect of the Hierarchy. Only the entity—the wholeness of inter-dimensional sovereignty imbued with Source Intelligence—can facilitate and fully experience the integration of these two models of existence.’”
Sarah: “So what does that have to do with my question?”
Dr. Neruda: “Each individual being is responsible for this. God or Source Intelligence isn’t going to come down from the heavens and correct human faults or obstacles. Humans need to take responsibility for this—”
Sarah: “But seriously, how? We’re wrapped in so many layers of deception—”
Dr. Neruda: “It’s not easy. The WingMakers write about the heart virtues as the behavioral construct for this time, and how these words can be applied and lived, not simply held in the head as a worthy concept.”
Sarah: “I don’t think you’ve mentioned these before. What are they?”
Dr. Neruda: “Appreciation or gratitude, compassion, humility, forgiveness, understanding and valor or courage. It is the combination of nowness—being in the now—and applying these words in our behaviors. It’s being impeccable in this practice.”
Sarah: “What happens if you do?”
Dr. Neruda: “The unconscious mind is a doorway into all beings. These behaviors go out to all beings. They support the building of the Sovereign Integral Network Human 3.0, which is the replacement of separation consciousness of Human 2.0. So this is the application of insertive behavior, which is to say, I will insert these behaviors in my nowness. They will become the palette of my behavioral choice.
“The other half of this equation is the resistive behaviors, and these are withdrawing and stopping behaviors that support separation and deception. These are active resistances. Saying ‘no’ to behaviors of your own and others, without judgment.
“Again, whether you operate in the insertive or resistive behavioral mode, you are affecting the whole. You either support oneness and equality, the I AM WE ARE, or you support separation and deception, also known in our reality, as the status quo.
“The starting point of behavior or expression is in the now. This is the creative nerve center. Every single now is a potential to support oneness and equality in this world and help birth the Human 3.0 and the Sovereign Integral Network.”
Sarah: “How long? I mean, how long will this take?”
Dr. Neruda: “The Grand Portal enables the Sovereign Integral Network. The WingMakers suggest that around 2080, conditions should be ideal for this Human 3.0 to reveal itself. But they also stipulate that it could happen sooner or later.”
Sarah: “Why wouldn’t Anu, since he’s God, simply stop it? Or, if Marduk could program with such amazing accuracy, how could Human 3.0 even come about? Unless he wanted it?”
Dr. Neruda: “There have been several interventions. While Anu and his Sirian cohorts were focused on the Human 1.0 and 2.0 uniforms, they didn’t pay as much attention to the interaction of earth and the human vessel. Earth is an anomaly in itself. Remember that the earth’s gravitational fields interact with all life. Even non-physical beings—if they get close enough and stay long enough—can be materialized in this plane of existence. Anu did not want to be materialized in this dimension, and he could only appear on this plane of existence for short times, maybe a day or two. In this time, our time, right now, the Anunnaki cannot enter this plane. They’re locked out. The earth plane is too dense. So that is one reason. Anu’s ability to interact directly with his creation has been curtailed.
“The second intervention point is that non-physical beings have woken up to this issue of enslavement. They see how it affects everyone. It was permitted in part, because the Anunnaki and their alliance partners were strong and threatening to many other races and beings. However, this notion of enslaving infinite beings, as a concept or inception point, was infecting all of existence. It was a fear-based, separation-based idea that beings eventually began to see as a degenerative force to existence. The native state of existence, which includes spacetime and non-spacetime expressions, is oneness and equality. Obviously, enslavement is only possible in a separation-based paradigm.
“The third intervention point is the WingMakers. They were the part of humanity also known as the Atlanteans, but even before the Atlantean race, they existed in a pure-state genetic template, and eventually these genetics were used by Anu to create—in part—the Human 1.0 and Human 2.0. Although with the 2.0 version, it was less pure, because Anunnaki and Sirian genetics were introduced, among others. But the point I’m trying to make here, is that the WingMakers, as a future expression of Human 3.0, have entered our spacetime, and have begun to crack open this prison reality.
“The fourth intervention point is each of us, practicing the Sovereign Integral process.”
Sarah: “I presume the Incunabula and Illuminati have something to say about this whole Human 3.0 plan. Am I right on that?”
Dr. Neruda: “Yes. The Triad of Power, however you want to define it, in terms of titles, is programmed to create their own Human 3.0. This version will be predicated on the convergence of technology in support of biological enhancements that make the human vessel even more of a welcoming environment for the functional implants. The goal is to make an infinite human on the earth plane... infinite by virtue of immortality. The fusion of human and technology or what some call transhumanism, is the goal. So, Human 3.0 for the Triad of Power is very different from Human 3.0 SI, as envisioned by the WingMakers.
“You see, transhumanism is separation. It says we are frail, weak, finite, brutish, diseased… incomplete. All of these ideas for technological implants and cognitive enhancement were parts of the ACIO agenda.”
Sarah: “The ACIO was building Human 3.0?”
Dr. Neruda: “Yes, certain key aspects of the transhumanist model. Not the SI version. You see, the whole idea of transcending is linked to the inception point of separation. It is the I AM supreme model. It says, the human vessel can be and should be enhanced in such a way that the functional implants can live forever. There are several things missing, according to the WingMakers. One, the unconscious mind cannot contain the datastreams of a continuous species, and two, the search for who we are, as the true source of life, will only be further obscured by technological enhancement. The realization of I AM WE ARE is not a technological realization, nor is its manifestation accelerated by or through technology, at an individual level. It is a self-learning and behavioral process. Nothing more, nothing less.”
Sarah: “So transhumanists want to transcend human suffering, ignorance, and mortality through technology, and the ACIO*6 was providing some of the technology to do this, but who would have access to the technology?”
Dr. Neruda: “The elite, of course. It would only accelerate and accentuate the separation. It is simultaneous empowerment and disempowerment. The economic models for the transhumanist diffusion, as it was called in the Labyrinth Group, were not widely considered. The Incunabula being the only exception.”
Sarah: “You mean they actually wanted to build a plan that made the transcending technologies available to everyone?”
Dr. Neruda: “They looked at it from two angles: one, if the technology could be introduced at birth, it would mitigate the cost issues of health care and education, offsetting diffusion costs. But it would have to be a government implemented service. No private company could secure sufficient trust. So a critical component was to make the United Nations the credible world organization that could introduce transhumanism to the global stage.
“The second angle was to allow class distinctions and free markets to eventually make the technology irresistible to everyone, and then allow government subsidies to bring down the costs sufficiently to enable its dispersion.
“All of this sounds very altruistic, but the quality of the technologies would be variant. Elite classes would be able to secure higher quality implantations coupled to more responsive genetics. This would simply be a human civilization that would be attempting to purge discontent and disobedience, in favor of participation in a ruled system of government by elite transhumans.
“Technology will evolve from external-impersonal, to external-personal, to integrated-personal, to internal-personal. Transhumanism is the last phase, and it is the phase that the elite are moving to. The internal-personal is based on exactly the same paradigm of what is now the human condition—namely, humans have a programmed interface that’s integral to their human body, and is powered by the infinite source of which they truly are.
“Humans are unwittingly trying to be Anu to themselves. It’s part of the program, according to the WingMakers. Humanity will play God to itself. It will try to engineer a better human and a better civilization.
“It will do this because it can’t imagine how humanity can save itself through simple behaviors and the realization that these behaviors can make. They will do it because they are programmed to become integrated with technology. This is the path that the WingMakers seek to avert. They write that human beings are complete if they can step out of their consciousness frameworks and realize what is actually powering their systems, their artificial realities, their programmed existence. The integration of technology internally will only make this realization more difficult.”
Sarah: “I think you said on Saturday that there were prophecies of a synthetic race overtaking humanity… this sounds like what those prophets saw.”
Dr. Neruda: “Fifteen*7 felt the same way. He never assumed that they were off-planet aliens. These prophets could have seen Human 3.0 transhumanists in some distant timeline and assumed they were alien.”
Sarah: “What about the Military Force?”
Dr. Neruda: “As you can imagine, this is where it will be tested first. There is a whole field of psychological technology that has laid the groundwork for the real internal technologies to flow into the military. It will be released there initially so it can be properly defended for testing purposes. Once it’s proven there, it will converge with the integrated-personal technology programs of the corporate elite.
Sarah: “When you say integrated-personal, what do you mean exactly?”
Dr. Neruda: “Miniaturization of the technology will enable it to adorn the body. It will not be internal yet, but it is part of the human body, like clothing, glasses, watches, and jewelry.”
Sarah: “Bear with me, but let me see if I have this straight. Human 1.0 was a creation of a God-like being—”
Dr. Neruda: “No. Anu is the same as us or the Atlanteans. He was no more intelligent or god-like. He was deceptive. That is the only distinction.”
Sarah: “Okay… but Anu created Human 1.0 and then found them to be too similar to his own capabilities, and feared they would one day figure out that they were Atlanteans enslaved by the Anunnaki. And he was worried about the consequences of that discovery. So, he wiped them clean with a planetary flood.”
Dr. Neruda: “According to the WingMakers, the flood was one part of the extinction program, but there were also nuclear weapons that were discharged on the planet—most of which have been explained away as meteorite impacts. But the WingMakers write that these were advanced weapons used against human populations that had avoided the flood.”
Sarah: “Okay. In whatever way Human 1.0s were eliminated from the planet, they were replaced by Human 2.0, and these included upgrades like self-reproduction and more advanced programming. And central to this programming was the notion that Anu was God and would return to his creation. Correct?”
Dr. Neruda: “Yes.”
Sarah: “And the next upgrade to Human 2.0 branches out like a fork in the road. One version of Human 3.0 goes down the path of technology integration… or transhumanism. The other version, 3.0 SI, is a more organic process of using behaviors to support this process of becoming a Human 3.0 or Sovereign Integral, and then becoming part of a network of these Sovereign Integrals. Is that correct?”
Dr. Neruda: “You have the general idea, yes.”
Sarah: “And the Triad of Power wants Human 3.0 to go down the path of technology integration, because that is how they are programmed… to emulate their god, Anu. Right?”
Dr. Neruda: “Yes.”
Sarah: “So it’s kind of like humanity sits at a crossroads. On the one side is the Triad of Power that is programmed to develop Human 3.0 as a… a cyborg, I guess, and the other side is the future existence of humanity urging us to do it internally, one person at a time, through a behavioral process. I guess the part that’s missing for me is the role of The Grand Portal, which remains unclear. I thought it was a technology that proved the existence… the irrefutable scientific existence of the human soul. How does that figure into this?”
Dr. Neruda: “There are humans here who are designers of the new unconscious mind that will bridge human populations everywhere on the planet to feel and express equality and oneness. It will connect humanity in the I AM WE ARE consciousness, instead of the separation consciousness. It will not be based on Hierarchy. That deception is coming down.
“One of the things that was never disclosed in the materials—including my previous four interviews, is that certain information was to be withheld. Some information was even veiled to not raise the ire of the Triad of Power. This information, the fifth interview, will not be disclosed in the same timeline as the previous four.”
Dr. Neruda: “The designers of the new unconscious layer of the Human 3.0 are on the planet now. They are doing some of the preparation required to move humanity—who will be sitting at the fork in the road in the next forty-fifty years—to choose the I AM WE ARE path.”
Sarah: “So I can’t release this interview?”
Dr. Neruda: “No. When it’s time, I will contact you.”
Sarah: “You said some of the information was veiled. In what way?”
Dr. Neruda: “The WingMakers will only release some of the information now, in 1998. That is the information that will not feel too revolutionary. Too radical. It needed, in their own words, ‘to cross into the human interface and activate a willingness’ to listen to their voice. For example, they used the term WingMakers to describe themselves, knowing it would have a connection to the angel construct.”
Sarah: “But you said the WingMakers were a future representation of human beings—presumably, from this disclosure—version 3.0. Right?”
Dr. Neruda: “Yes, but there is programming within the human interface where the functional implants are networked as a system, that will tune out certain information. A person will hear it, but they will not act on it. They will hear it, but they will object to it. They will hear it, but they will not share it. All of these programs were created—not originally, but they can be upgraded… the program can be updated with new instructions. It makes cracking into this reality—exposing it for what it truly is—a very difficult proposition.
“This is why it requires a degree of stealth. The deception is so thick and opaque in this reality, that the ones who are trying to come into the prison and create a crack in the wall… they also have to use a form of deception.”
Dr. Neruda: “The programming, Sarah. If the pure-state information was given out, and it contradicted everything that people have been told to believe, if it was the literal reverse of what was logical and acceptable in this world, who would listen? The WingMakers needed to awaken certain people to bring them inside their information field, to warm them up to the truth. It has to be done in degrees for the vast majority of people.”
Sarah: “What about me?”
Dr. Neruda: “You are not among the vast majority, but then you’re only getting a taste of it.”
Sarah: “Does everyone within the Labyrinth Group know this, too?”
Dr. Neruda: “Yes, to varying degrees.”
Sarah: “But they were going down the transhumanism path. Did this information change their mind?”
Dr. Neruda: “No. That’s really why I’m here.”
Sarah: “You just said I’m only getting a taste of it, so there’s still more materials that will be released later?”
Dr. Neruda: “Yes.”
Sarah: “But you’re not going to tell me when… right?”
Dr. Neruda: “Correct.”
Sarah: “As intelligent and aware as the Labyrinth Group is, why didn’t this information change their minds?”
Dr. Neruda: “I had the benefit of having direct interactions with the WingMakers. None of my peers did. This was the difference in my willingness to act on the information, and not simply consider it as a contradiction to my invested reality.”
Sarah: “This is fucked up, isn’t it?”
Dr. Neruda: “What part?”
Sarah: “All of it. It’s all fucked up… and we did it.”
Dr. Neruda: “Whatever it is, it’s important to know what’s behind the deception… to look with sober eyes on the truth. It may not be a beautiful picture to be sure, but how else do you realize your own truth until you know the truth of the big picture? So, however screwed up it seems, it is an inception point for the individual to redefine themselves.
“Would you rather stay in the illusion of a soul in a human body that will be saved by God, ascend into heaven and hang out with angels who strum harps? That whole idea is repulsive once you know this. That picture is based on separation, selfishness, lack of empathy and understanding. Or, you can simply say it’s all a big illusion, including the notion that we are infinite beings, and that when you die, you’re done.
“The part of this new picture that is promising is that we exist infinitely despite the fact that we have been suppressed and enslaved. We also can play a role in supporting this redefinition of the human being through our thoughts and behaviors. And maybe most importantly, we have the WingMakers—our future selves—providing us with evidence that I AM WE ARE prevailed.
“When I first read these materials, these were the things that provided some sense of hope, and I share them with you, for what it’s worth.”
Sarah: “Thanks. All of the things that you told me in the first four interviews… with this new information, does it change it?”
Dr. Neruda: “Yes. Everything is affected by this.”
Sarah: “Give me an example.”
Dr. Neruda: “Sunday night I mentioned LERM or the Light-Encoded Reality Matrix. LERM is what the Labyrinth Group thought was God—in terms of proof. But what was really discovered was the essence of Anu and how he operates in this reality as an all-encompassing observation field that is inside our consciousness interface to this reality-existence called earth. LERM is Anu projected.”
Sarah: “What about ETs? Don’t they know about this and can’t they intervene and save us from this situation?”
Dr. Neruda: “Remember, everyone inside our universe is part of this deception, whether they know it or not. There are four classes of beings: one, those who know the deception and are actively supporting it; two, those who know about the deception, but are unwilling to do anything about it; three, those who don’t know the deception and are unknowingly supporting it; and four, those who know about the deception and are actively trying to step out of the deception and engineer a process for everyone else to do the same. That’s it. It doesn’t matter if the being is physical or nonphysical. Everyone falls into one of these four categories—everywhere in our universe of existence.
“The beings in group three are waking up. Some of them understand that the deception in one part of the universe infects all. It requires corrective action. It requires collective understanding to ensure that it will never happen again.”
Sarah: “How can everyone in this universe be a part of this deception? I don’t understand.”
Dr. Neruda: “Our entire universe is created. I’m not saying it is the universe. I’m saying that what we call the universe, as far as we can observe, is part of the hologram implanted within our consciousness framework and human interface. Our mind consciousness established the spatial-temporal relationships of everything we see, and as I said, this is part of our program. And this includes the universe.“Why do you think that our best minds on the planet cannot define consciousness, let alone the subconscious and unconscious mind? It is programmed this way. Anu did not want us to figure it out. We’ll look at neural information and decide it can be sliced a thousand different ways, but it still doesn’t explain how it’s experienced.
“As Aristotle said some 2,300 years ago, ‘To be conscious that we are perceiving, is to be conscious of our own existence.’ That is a good description of I AM. So, are we an isolated life form that confronts our external, separate reality? No, we are connected to all. That is why I AM WE ARE is the critical inception point for our identity. Any being that does not confirm their belief in this, is not aware of reality. It doesn’t matter where they exist or what vessel they wear. It doesn’t matter if they want to save humanity. They must first act from this inception.
“The universe, as immense as it appears, is a hologram inside a programmed existence which every human being agrees is reality. That agreement informs the unconscious mind—again, a part of the human interface that Anu created—and collectively we all see our world the same way, more or less.
“We have been told there are trillions of planets with life. That the universe is abundant with life forms in various dimensions, but what we know is here. On earth. The tangible, visible earth. Are there other beings? Of course. I’ve seen them. Will they save humanity? They can’t. They can only support. It isn’t about anyone or anything saving us. It is about a redefinition process that can only occur within each individual entity. It isn’t about being beamed up or ascending to some higher, protected dimension. This will be done in the physical body as human beings, by human beings, for human beings.”
Sarah: “I know the interview on paper won’t show a hint of how you just delivered that last answer, but I wish it could. I think it helps to see it.”
Dr. Neruda: “The words are enough.”
Sarah: “Why you? Why do you suppose you can interact with the WingMakers and were asked to release this information? Why didn’t they interact with Fifteen, too?”
Dr. Neruda: “First of all, it isn’t just me. However, within the Labyrinth Group, they selected me for reasons that I had a certain resonance to their information that others within the Labyrinth Group lacked. In terms of releasing the information, perhaps I was the only one who would go to the extreme of defecting from the ACIO to make this information available.
“I don’t look at myself as unique in the sense that I am the only one involved in getting this information out. There are others, many others, both physical and nonphysical, who are assisting in this transformative process. The WingMakers refer to it in their philosophy papers as the two portals.”
Sarah: “I’ve only heard you speak of The Grand Portal; I assume it’s one of the two portals…”
Dr. Neruda: “Yes. The Grand Portal will be released in the WingMakers literature as the irrefutable scientific discovery of the human soul, and in a way, that’s true, but it’s not the whole story.
“The two portals are defined as the “crack” and the “wall demolition.”
Sarah: “I hope you plan to explain that…”
Dr. Neruda: “Yes, well, the crack is the first portal. It is the portal between worlds. It is a human, and that’s about all I know at this time.”
Sarah: “A human who does what?”
Dr. Neruda: “That can step between worlds. I realize that thousands of people, even famous people, have claimed to have visited heaven, but according to the writings of the WingMakers, it is not true. They have wandered into the astral world, which has many dimensions, but this astral world is part of the creation of Anu, in terms of our programming. Our true dimensional existence is not of Anu’s creation or formulas. The human portal will be a communication portal between our origins, as a race of infinite beings, and this world—the Hologram of Deception.”
Sarah: “What about the wall demolition, as you called it?”
Dr. Neruda: The Grand Portal is the wall demolition. That’s when the wall comes down through the efforts of all beings that are undergoing the Sovereign Integral process. And this makes it possible for all human beings to step forward into their infinite self or life essence.”
Sarah: “So the sequence is first the human portal and then The Grand Portal? And from a timing perspective, what can you say about it?”
Dr. Neruda: “The human portal anchors the inception point on earth for The Grand Portal. It will come in about ten years. The Grand Portal, about seventy years after that. Those are the rough timeframes I’ve been given, but always with the stipulation that these times can shift and change.”
Sarah: “What does science say about this?”
Dr. Neruda: “Science… in terms of what?”
Sarah: “I mean the whole notion of the universe being a hologram or illusion created inside our head.”
Dr. Neruda: “Science is not able to explain it. The counterlogical nature of the universe—in terms of quantum behavior—is impossible to explain. Some scientists have relented to explaining it all away as hidden variables. But frankly, what the WingMakers have explained is that we’re creating the universe through the human interface Anu provided us by reinterpreting sound vibrations through our five senses.”
Sarah: “But it doesn’t make sense… how can I see the moon and a two-year-old can see it exactly the same way? How can it be the same?”
Dr. Neruda: “No, this is what the unconscious mind provides the Human 2.0 interface. It gathers the interpretation of the sound vibration of the moon, based on billions and billions of sightings throughout time. These evolve and change based on environmental conditions, but generally the notion that the moon is silver and generally the size that it is, is stored and shared in the DNA and unconscious mind system and reinforced by culture, family and education. This is the universal collective field. It’s a field effect that transfers information through vibratory fields that interconnect humans.”
Sarah: “Maybe it’ll just take me a while to get that one. I hear your explanation; it just doesn’t make sense to me. Let me change the topic slightly. If everyone’s life is pre-programmed, why are you and I talking about this? I mean why are we able to discuss this? Why would Marduk’s program allow us to even glimpse this information?”
Dr. Neruda: “It’s a good question. Maybe the best way to understand this is to consider a thought experiment. Imagine that our universe is a bubble.*8 It was created by a group of entities that used deception against their equals who had never experienced such an evil vision of separation, and therefore couldn’t conceive of a defense against it. This bubble universe seemed complete and always expanding. In many ways, it was an ideal platform for life, and yet only one sentient life form seemed to exist on one tiny planet inside this vast, near-infinite universe.
“Inside this same bubble, there were vibratory dimensions that became known in religious circles as heaven and hell, and in spiritual and psychic circles, as the etheric and astral planes. These planes exist inside the bubble, but are not visible with the human interface or five senses. We’ll call this Bubble One.
“External to Bubble One, imagine there is another universe or dimension of existence. It is vast and encompasses Bubble One wholly. Within this second, larger bubble is the dimension from which our life essence originated prior to its insertion into Bubble One. Now, beings in Bubble Two can enter Bubble One and experience it fully. However, if they get too close to the populated planet called earth and stay too long, they will manifest and not be able to return to Bubble Two.
“Earth is the focal point in Bubble One. The entities, who fancy themselves as gods, create more bubbles. They entrap other races in the same paradigm of deception and cast beings from Bubble Two to new bubbles that are similar to Bubble One. These entities essentially plan to take over Bubble Two for themselves, while making their equals, who formerly shared Bubble Two, enslaved worshippers who look to the rulers of Bubble Two as their gods.
“Meanwhile, there is a larger bubble that surrounds Bubble Two. We’ll call it Bubble Three. Are you with me?”
Sarah: “I think so.”
Dr. Neruda: “Good. So Bubble Three encompasses Bubble Two and all of the smaller bubbles related to Bubble One. There are beings in Bubble Three that are aware of the deception perpetrated on the bubbles and the beings within them, but infinite beings are patient and curious. They wanted to see what this separation construct would create. In dimensions that had only known oneness and equality, the concept of division in material form was interesting.”
Sarah: “But all the human misery, just to run an experiment?”
Dr. Neruda: “Remember the human machine is not real. It’s the equivalent of a spacesuit with artificial intelligence and a sense-and-respond sensory system. The astronaut—us—is infinite. It cannot be killed or hurt or destroyed. While the experimentation looks miserable from a human perspective, it is vibrant with learning on many other levels, one of which is to build the awareness in all beings of never allowing this deception to occur again.
“The unconscious mind system of the human being exists in a similar, but significantly more advanced modus operandi in the interdimensional beings that can interoperate between the three bubbles. It is what allows the equality and oneness to be maintained in vast worlds of spacetime and quantum spacetime.
“Now, within this thought experiment you can see that the dimensions of spacetime are more dimensional than one universe. That entities exist in these various bubbles, experimenting with their creation. Sometimes in this experimentation, they decide to enslave through the constructs of separation and deception. This occurs with issues that human beings can relate to like scarcity, preservation of a race, unintended consequences of decisions, service to self instead of service to truth. All of these elements were in the behavioral equations of Anu and his Sirian accomplices.
“At some point, the lessons are learned. The entire experiment solidifies and hardens to such a degree that it cannot really compress anymore. Its value rapidly diminishes from that point. When this happens, beings will intervene. In our case, we intervened in the form of humanity returning to warn of this reality, hence the WingMakers intervention. As for why we are talking, it’s simple. Marduk is not the only one who can program.”
Sarah: “And what does that mean?”
Dr. Neruda: “In today’s world we have programmers who can write code that take the user of that code from one experience to the next. It moves them from point A to point B. Programming is an aspect of time. It’s a directional process.
“You’re aware of hackers. They come in all sizes. Earlier this year a fifteen-year-old kid hacked into the US Air Force. Even Microsoft is finding it impossible to protect its NT OS. The hacker mindset is again a manifestation of separation. It is a polarity. A mind game of sorts, complete with ego and sometimes greed. Mostly, it’s a reminder that whatever’s a fortress remains vulnerable. The program that Marduk created is similar in concept to our software programming, but infinitely more complex and advanced. However, as any hacker will tell you, anything can be hacked with the right technology and skill.
“Our programs have been hacked. We’ve been altered. We’re not connected in the same way to the grid lines that rule this hologram that I called Bubble One, a little earlier.”
Sarah: “Who… who did the hacking?”
Dr. Neruda: “I can’t give you a name. I don’t know. I’ve been told that there’re many resources that are being used to create the crack in the wall, and then, from the inside—that’s us, humanity—we’ll push the wall down collectively and walk out of this prison. We’re part of the crack.”
Sarah: “I don’t remember volunteering.”
Dr. Neruda: “For what it’s worth, neither do I.”
Sarah: “Okay… I’m going to shift the conversation a bit. In my notes from Saturday you said the following: ‘That the WingMakers claimed that the three-dimensional five-sensory domain that humans have adjusted to is the reason we are only using a fractional portion of our intelligence. They claimed that the time capsule would be the bridge from the three-dimensional five-sensory domain to the multidimensional seven-sensory domain.’
“How does that relate to tonight’s conversation, and what exactly is the time capsule?”
Dr. Neruda: “The time capsule is the content of the WingMakers project. It’s called a time capsule because it’s a designed intervention to shift time. It’s called a capsule because it is a delivery system of information that is designed to assist people to unlock from their grid lines—their pre-programmed life path where they were essentially a human robot marching through their life path as they were programmed to do.
“Until the WingMakers disclose this aspect of their intervention (Sarah’s note: the Fifth Interview of Dr. Jamisson Neruda), they can’t disclose the real meaning behind their words. Again, they cloaked their words in the accepted standards of this world’s rules relative to the New Age, new world order, spirituality, religion, philosophy, etc. This gave them an accepted anonymity; after all, it was all presented as a myth. There’s nothing in a myth that could cause Anu to censor or strike back.
“They tested the explicitness of the language, and decided to place some of the activational elements in other formats like art, poetry and music. In other words, when they couldn’t state something explicitly, because of retaliatory concerns, they would encode it into the art.”
Sarah: “But you’ve asked me to hold it back—this interview. What if it never gets released?”
Dr. Neruda: “Then it wasn’t necessary.”
Sarah: “But then that would make the rest of the materials less than true, wouldn’t it?”
Dr. Neruda: “I would say it would make them less direct or explicit, but to your point, yes, I would agree that their truth is diminished without the framework of this disclosure.”
Sarah: “Who are these materials for? I mean, I can tell you right now that when you were describing the first four interviews, I could count on one hand how many people I know who would listen to this perspective with an open mind. Most of my friends and family… I wouldn’t even mention it. But with this interview, I don’t think anyone I know would be open to it. I can’t think of one, to be honest.”
Dr. Neruda: “I understand. The number of people, who show up to look through the crack in the wall, will be very small. In terms of the whole population, a tiny fraction. But the real definition of The Grand Portal is that enough people will look through that crack and recognize there is more—much more to reality’s existence, and they will work collectively to push down the wall. When the wall falls, that will be when the infinite beings inside step out and operate the human instrument, not as a separate thing, not as a vessel or something they wear as a uniform, but they will operate inside the human body free of the interface and functional implants.”
Sarah: “You mean they won’t ascend into Bubble Number Two or Three?”
Dr. Neruda: “They will stay right here: earth. But they will stay here, in the body, as infinite beings, not enslaved shells of themselves.”
Sarah: “You said there were other beings involved in this intervention. Can you disclose them?”
Dr. Neruda: “I’d prefer not to say anything other than to mention that it will be disclosed soon. This whole enslavement of humanity is like the six blind men touching the elephant. Many people are feeling parts of the elephant and describing the part they are touching, but with blindfolds on, it is very hard to describe the whole deception.”
Sarah: “Are these ‘blind men’ humans?”
Dr. Neruda: “Yes, of course. They see parts of this enslavement and they know something is happening. Something isn’t right. You can’t have god-like beings walking around the earth coincident with murder, rape, child abuse and war, and they don’t feel this separation and deception. Something is terribly wrong. Why are we letting this happen?
“According to the WingMakers, there are people who are incarnated now who would be the equivalent of outliers. Are you familiar with this term?”
Dr. Neruda: “The term is typically used in statistics. Think of it like an anomaly. A person has what is called a transient malfunction to their interface, but in this malfunction, they are able to see through the crack. It might only last a second or two, but they glimpse what is behind the walls. And again, I’m not talking about the astral plane—that’s just a more rarified plane of the Hologram of Deception.
“People with these transient malfunctions often end up being diagnosed autistic, or in extreme cases, are considered schizophrenic, but because the malfunction is transient, they slowly merge back into the human hologram and lack the contextual meaning of what they saw anyway. They learn to forget. The program draws them back in.
“But before they forget, before they return to normal beliefs, before they are drugged or quarantined, they share their experience to the unconscious mind. And this begins to express itself through culture. It’ll come out in movies, books, theater, art, poetry, and many of these expressions will help to feed the unconscious mind and open it up to the possibility that the scale of our prison encompasses even the light, even science, even angels… even god.”
Sarah: “Do we wear a target on ourselves when this gets released? I mean will Anu decide to take us down if this goes out?”
Dr. Neruda: “Believe me I’ve probed on that issue. There’s risk involved. How much, I don’t know. The WingMakers explain that the creators of this plan have resigned themselves to the intervention, but that their equivalents here on earth are not as excited by those prospects. It’ll work its way out, but it’ll take some time.”
Sarah: “What happens between now and The Grand Portal… when the wall gets pushed down?”
Dr. Neruda: “All I can tell you is that the Triad of Power will continue to consolidate. The money system will continue to spiral away from the many into the hands of the few. This was part of the original programming—”
Sarah: “Relating to the return of Anu?”
Dr. Neruda: “Yes. Anu would step in and solve the world’s problems and be anointed. Anu would use the centralization of the money system to integrate technology into biologic systems so they would be able to have infinite existence in Bubble One—earth. That way, Anu reasoned, he could be god in this world forever.
“But as I said, this plan was not perfect in the sense of its infinitude. Anu underestimated the beings in Bubble Three and beyond.”
Sarah: “Has it ever been tried before?”
Dr. Neruda: “What?”
Sarah: “This crack in the wall, and then pushing the wall down?”
Dr. Neruda: “No. Not in our world. This is the first coordinated effort to liberate humanity.”
Sarah: “But what about Jesus or Buddha?”
Dr. Neruda: “According to the WingMakers, each of the Avatars*9 who came to this planet did so as invited guests. Humans were explained as ‘lost beings’. It’s literally how we are defined in the planes of existence outside our planet. Remember what I had said about the higher dimensional beings that would visit earth and become manifested?”
Dr. Neruda: “That was how many of these Avatars came to earth. They did not go through the birth process, they literally manifested in the earth plane with their dimensional consciousness intact. They did not want to be born into this world and inhabit a human body, because they knew they would sleep and forget. Avatars had to directly manifest.
“The problem was that people were afraid of them and stayed away, or people acted as guardians of the old system and wanted to destroy the Avatar, or some people looked to the Avatar to save them. This was what spawned the evolution/saviorship model of the universe. Evolution, as defined here, is the process of being saved and absolved of one’s sins. The sinner evolved into the disciple; and the disciple evolved into the teacher; and the teacher evolved into the Hierarchy of teachers and leaders. Saviorship simply meant that an outside force or Avatar would save the individual from their sins or reprehensible behavior, and connect them to the light or spirit of god. The savior was an intermediary of the Hierarchy that plugged the individual into the light of illumination and enlightenment.”
Sarah: “So… didn’t these Avatars open a crack?”
Dr. Neruda: “Of sorts, but mostly it was to demonstrate what was really inside the human vessel. It was not to show miracles for the sake of convincing people to follow them or to create a religion. The resurrection, for example, was not a piece of theater to underline Jesus’ unique stature as the son of god. He was not that. That was written in later. As his popularity grew, it was understood that Anu and Marduk could utilize Jesus to strengthen Anu’s hold on human culture, and reposition himself as a loving God—the father of great entities like Jesus.
“Avatars were generally considered an annoyance by Anu. Usually they were killed or locked up to wither and die. Stories would be created to either cement them to Anu’s glorification, or they would be vilified and deemed to be of Satan. There was no middle ground with Avatars. Jesus was really the first Avatar that Anu decided to embrace and create a world religion around.
“Each of the other world religions were modeled after Christianity, even those whose founder was not technically an Avatar. Avatars were very rare. They wanted to come in and push down the walls, but they needed a large enough following to bring the whole wall down. A crack wouldn’t be enough. And if they came simply to show the nature of the infinite being inside each human uniform, they risked a religion being built around them that would become, over time, welded to Anu and the holographic, multi-layered deception that hung over humanity like a dome.
“The WingMakers refer to a new type of being called the Sovereign Entity. These are pre-Sovereign Integral beings, but they are seeded with the capacity to step out of the Hierarchy, and in doing so, they allow themselves to examine information that others would attack or ignore. Unfortunately, the information that will liberate people is the very information they are programmed to attack.”
Sarah: “When you use the term Hierarchy, what are you referring to exactly?”
Dr. Neruda: “The WingMakers seem to use this interchangeably with Anu at the top, his leadership within the dimensions, or Bubble Two, and his leadership on earth in the form of the Triad of Power. Collectively, this is the Hierarchy.”
Sarah: “Can you help me understand how it is that no one knows about this… I mean, out of six billion*10 people that walk the earth now, and I don’t know how many over the whole history of mankind, but it must be… I don’t know, about a hundred billion or so, how could it be disguised?”
Dr. Neruda: “That’s how many life expressions, perhaps, but not beings—”
Sarah: “Because of reincarnation, right?”
Dr. Neruda: “Yes. But to answer your question, it’s done through the interface of the human vessel. The interface is what most people consider to be them. That is their consciousness. The interface fuses with the physical body and the dimensional being that powers and animates it. There’s an old saying that the last thing a fish notices is water. It’s an apt expression of our circumstance, too.
“Humans have been living in this consciousness of a human body ever since they were first created. It is all they have ever known, and because of the sophistication of the technology that underlies this entire deception, we are thrown distraction after distraction to never, ever consider the possibility that everything is a part of an illusion. Everything.
“While it seems impossible that a hundred billion lives have existed and not one has peered through the crack, it would be like going to the deep sea where the bioluminescent fish live, and explaining to them that a world exists of light and warmth. Maybe one or two would venture from the depths if they were told of this world, and they would return and report that they had experienced this strange, mysterious world. But never would they imagine that a whole world of land and air existed above that, where beings of entirely different natures walked on dry dirt and breathed air and looked at stars a billion light years away.
“Humans are a lot like those bioluminescent fish.”
Sarah: “Okay, I understand the analogy, but no one?”
Dr. Neruda: “Momentary glimpses through cracks… that’s all. The Avatars that manifested here have operated the closest to our true nature on this planet, but those who have gone through the birth process and have human DNA, they are locked into their interface or they are quickly removed.”
Sarah: “Tuesday you talked at length about Lucifer and his creation of the Animus, where’s that factor into this… this story?”
Dr. Neruda: “Until last night I didn’t know if this interview would even take place. I knew you wanted to speak in depth about The Grand Portal, but I wasn’t sure at what level I would be allowed to disclose it. This is very guarded information. It’s both a break-in and a break-out. The break-in is difficult to engineer amid the misinformation and deception that occurs on this planet relative to humans.
“Lucifer and the fallen angels was a nod to the fallen humans who were booted out of Eden. It is the same story with the same purpose: place fear of rebellion in the consciousness systems of humans. Make it strong and potent in the unconscious mind, and make sure that Lucifer, Satan and the devil mirror the trinity of good—the father, son and the holy ghost. Anu realized that the best way to make his human creation lean his way was to make the path to his kingdom appear virtuous and morally acceptable. And how do you do that? You have evil embodied in demons that are bent on enslaving humans and preventing them from following the virtuous path.
“It created a perfect polarity of human beings progressing to the Kingdom of god while demons seduced and ensnared them. Angels and ascended masters were guides to show the way to the waiting kingdom. Eastern traditions used demigods, hierarchies of masters, meditation, but it was based on the very same polarity, which at its most basic level was light as good, and darkness as evil.
“So with that said, let me return to your question about Lucifer and the Animus. The story of Lucifer is like a prop on a stage. With Lucifer in play, the stage is more dangerous. You can place blame. You can deflect blame and responsibility from the morally righteous and god-fearing humans. You can infer that your enemies are enslaved by demons that do the bidding of Lucifer or Satan.
“This creates conflicts that lead to wars. This creates histories of conflict which sow generation after generation of people who are living their forefathers’ conflict. Amid all of this, god grows in stature and importance. Everyone wants to claim that god is on their side.
“Lucifer was a catalyst to enlarge the importance of Anu. To make humans dependent on him even though they never saw him, heard him, tasted him, smelled him or touched him. He was in the universal field vis-à-vis the unconscious mind. It was programmed this way, and religious culture only made it feel more real.
“The Animus were the Human 3.0 in the trajectory envisioned by Anu to support his infinite supremacy over humanity. His goal was to synthesize humanity with technology. The Animus were us in a potential future. There are government organizations, corporate entities and research institutions that share this same goal even as we speak.”
*1 The Grand Portal is defined in the WingMakers materials as the irrefutable, scientific discovery of the human soul.
*2 The Ancient Arrow site is known within the WingMakers materials as the Extraterrestrial Time Capsule that was discovered in Chaco Canyon, New Mexico.
*3 Anu is the leader of the Anunnaki. He was known as the Sky God, in Mesopotamian times. The Anunnaki were the deities written about in the Sumerian text, known as the Royal Blood.
*4 The WingMakers refer to First Source as the Creator of the life essence.
*5 In the Triad of Power, the Incunabula is the capstone—also known as the Capstone of the Elite.
*6 ACIO is an acronym for Advanced Contact Intelligence Organization.
*7 Fifteen is the genius leader of the Advanced Contact Intelligence Organization (ACIO) and the Labyrinth Group.
*8 See page 79 for a diagram of the Hologram of Deception.
*9 An Avatar is an incarnate teacher of truth.
*10 The total population of earth in 1998 was approximately 6 billion, which was when this interview was conducted.